Can Economic Freedom After Incarceration Be Achieved? Insights from Victor Vincent | Ep. 291

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Are you tired of seeing the revolving door of incarceration in our communities? Want to make a change and reduce the high costs of corrections? Then, join us as Victor Vincent, founder of the Reentry Expert organization, shares his insights on breaking the cycle of re-incarceration.

In this candid conversation, Victor highlights the importance of providing economic opportunities for ex-convicts and exposing young individuals to the consequences of illegal activities. He also addresses the influence of outside forces on crime within African American communities and the need for open discussions around these taboo subjects. You will be inspired!

About Our Guest

Victor M. Vincent Jr. is a man of determination and resilience. He has experienced the highs and lows of life, from being an ex-offender to becoming the President of the Student Government Association at Guilford College. This remarkable journey has shaped him into who he is today – The ReEntry Expert.

Since his release from prison in 1994, Victor has been on a mission to turn his life around. He obtained his GED and pursued higher education, earning a Bachelor’s in Criminal Justice from Guilford College. Along with his education, Victor worked hard to obtain various certifications, including a forklift and a class A CDL endorsement.

His hard work did not go unnoticed as he became employed as a Sales Rep for some of the biggest brands in the world. Victor has worked full-time for the City of Greensboro for over 16 years.

But that’s not all – Victor is also the founder and President of Victor M. Vincent, Jr. The ReEntry Expert, Inc. is a nonprofit organization dedicated to helping others looking to turn their lives around like he did. His passion for reentry work is evident in everything he does, and his empathetic nature makes him stand out as someone who truly cares about making a positive impact in people’s lives.

With his friendly demeanor and informative approach, Victor continues to inspire and guide individuals through their personal transformation journey. From inmate to President to The ReEntry Expert – Victor M. Vincent Jr.’s story is filled with determination, perseverance, and hope for a brighter tomorrow.

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Intro/Outro: You know what it is. That's right. It's time to talk

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money with your money nerd and financial coach.

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Now tighten those purse strings and open those ears.

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It's the money talk with Tiff. podcast.

Tiffany Grant:

Hey, everyone. I am so excited because I

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have Victor Vincent on the line. Now, Victor is

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part of my local community, and he does amazing

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work. We've known each other for quite some time,

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and I wanted to get him on just so he can talk about what

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he does and maybe spark somebody else's

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interest in it. So, hey, Victor, how are you?

Victor Vincent:

I'm, great. How are you?

Tiffany Grant:

I'm doing fantastic. Thank you for being

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up with me this morning. So what I wanted to

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bring you on about was your organization

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called the reentry expert. So if you can give

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us a little bit about what the reentry expert

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is and then kind of how you got started.

Victor Vincent:

Okay. The reentry expert,

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Victor Michael Vincent, Jr. The reentry expert

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incorporated is a

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nonprofit geared to helping men

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and women who faced incarceration, who

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have judicial experience achieve

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success. and we do this by

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sitting down with clients and figuring out what they

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love to do and setting them on career

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paths according to what they love to

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do. I have this old philosophy that

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God gave every man a talent, every woman

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a talent. Let's figure out what those talents

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are, and let's get you earning

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income based on that particular

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talent. being somebody who's formally

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incarcerated, I understand the

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makeup of that prison system, and I feel

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like it's my job to keep people of

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color, black and brown, people out of

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prison, to have that monster turn

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on itself. And when it starts feeding on

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itself, because it's fed on us for so long,

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eventually, when it starts feeding on itself, it

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will destroy itself, and we will create a new kind

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of system on how we deal with people in

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poverty, how we deal with people who break

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law, and how we deal with crime. for some

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reason, that system is based on, attacking

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people from poverty. But we know white collar

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crime goes on all day long, and most of the time,

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it's not even addressed.

Tiffany Grant:

You just said a whole

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this. You speak in my language, so let's

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dive into that a little bit. because I know

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I made a post on Facebook not too long ago where I talked

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about white collar crime and how

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it's the least prosecuted, but it causes the most damage

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to people. And when you gave

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that, I said, oh,

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like, the monster needs to start feeding on

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itself. Then they'll have to find a different

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population to then target, so that

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way they can keep making the money, because it's all

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about money. Let's be clear.

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Go ahead.

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And when you look at it, the US makes up for

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5% of the world's population, but we

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have 25% of the world's prisoners.

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When you talk about that criminal justice

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system, the state government spent $55

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billion on corrections in the year

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2020 alone. there were more than

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102,000,000 people in prison. In 2020,

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the US spent $80.70

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billion for prisons,

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plus another 3.9 billion

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on private prisons in jails.

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And a lot of times, when I look at those numbers and I look at

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those statistics, being somebody who's not

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necessarily a numbers person, but knowing where

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the gaps are in our community when it comes to dealing with

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our elderly and them getting their medications,

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and also dealing with our children in school, not

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having school supplies and books, and if you

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look at that number, man, we're talking about

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$80 billion and it's

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83 billion. and how we could

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use that to better serve our

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communities.

Tiffany Grant:

Absolutely. I am so with you on that. That

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is a lot of money. Victor.

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About that criminal justice system is

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because we've been kind of

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conditioned. They flood us with

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horrible, violent stories on the

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news. So we don't even think about the money we

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spend with the criminal justice system. When you look at

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every other system in America, we

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look at the money the school system spends, what

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the superintendent makes, what the schools

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get. When we even look at the military, we look at

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how much we spend in the military and how much we fund

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stuff through the military. But you never see a

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story on the news about how much we spend in

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the division of corrections in that judicial system,

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because it's unregulated, it's

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unmonitored, and it's a monster that

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just eats up everything in its way.

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By driving itself, by putting

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fear and

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separation within ethnic

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groups, within our communities.

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We fear each other so much that we're willing to

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constantly throw money into that system because there's a fear

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that my neighbor may hurt me, this dude

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down the street may hurt me. So let this

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beast just run.

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I'm like, mic drop after that.

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No, but that's real. And as

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someone that does have ties to the criminal

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justice system and also just the

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judicial system in general, it's

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a mess. It really is a mess.

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And with all of that being

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said, where do you feel we should

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start? I know this is a huge issue,

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and we can't solve it

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overnight, but just from your perspective,

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where does this, fixing or healing of

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the system begin?

Victor Vincent:

Okay, let me say this. First of all,

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people of color have to recognize that

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there were four devastating periods when

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it comes to people of color, African Americans, and blacks in

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this country. And those four major

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areas of destruction were slavery,

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Jim Crow, mass

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incarceration, and community

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chemical infiltration. Now, we

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would look at all four of those things. People

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of color don't link those four things together. Usually, the

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only thing we can see is slavery and Jim Crow.

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We have this taboo that believes that

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people break law because they choose

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to, because there's something wrong with them.

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and they are lazy. And when you think like

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that, you're really not addressing or you

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can't see the bottom root of the

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issue. It's, like a friend of mine, Dana daughtry,

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says, you're trying to treat a gunshot wound with a

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bandaid. those four things

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are the reason why we're in the state we're in. And

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when you look at that drug trade or you look at the violence

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that goes on in our communities, black people aren't

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responsible or manufacturers or

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creators of any of these devices that

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come into our neighborhood. We don't grow

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opium. We don't manufacture cocaine and

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grow cocaine. all these things that have been put in

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our communities, we aren't responsible

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for even inventing these things.

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However, when you look at opportunity,

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always tell people, I don't like the word job

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anymore. I like using the word

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opportunity. And when you look at people from

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the inner city, usually the closest

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opportunity for them coming into

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their teens, into their young adulthood is

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crime, because most of the jobs that

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we want are outside of our

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communities. And then you would have to look at the

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1968 rise, and that would tell you that

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when, you had this disruption, major

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cities, people fled the inner cities,

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and they took the manufacturing plants with them and put

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them out in the counties. So when you go into a black

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inner city, in most inner cities, you go into

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black communities. There are no jobs there. They have to

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catch the bus or drive to a job, which

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is an opportunity. So, if we could bring

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back those opportunities to our community

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and engage our, young folk with opportunity,

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they're less likely to commit crime.

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So you would need a three pronged approach to deal

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with the violence and the crime in America. And

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one of them would be getting into the communities,

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figuring out what the people in the communities really want. Like, yo,

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what do you want? Or what do you need to make you happy and

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successful? Then we have to take that same approach to

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the school system. And I'm talking about in middle

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school and really elementary school, working your

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way up, creating opportunities for these kids to

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say, hey, when you graduate, this is an opportunity

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for you. But if you don't want this opportunity,

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here are three other alternate choices that you

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could take in your future. And then we have

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to go into the prison systems and ask the

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guys in prison, like, what would it take for you all not to come home

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and commit crime and help us help the

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people like you in our communities?

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I've been pushing for, schools to bring

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in the top dude in

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the street who is getting all the money that's in

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prison right now. Bring that dude into the school system,

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orange jumpsuit, shackles and handcuffs,

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and let him talk to the kids. Because what I

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noticed about drug dealers is every couple of

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months, there's a new hot dude riding around in that

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mercedes. And nobody thinks about what happened

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to the other two dudes that used to have the hot mercedes.

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Because out of sight, out of mind. But if you

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bring them back and kids can see, like, wow, this is where that

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took you, man, I don't want that. And it would

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aid towards not necessarily stop, but it would

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aid to give our children another

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avenue to become

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successful as opposed to seeing the

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glamorous part of the lifestyle and not the

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ending. We never see the ending.

Tiffany Grant:

Oh, my gosh. My neck is tired

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from. Not in my head so much

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while he was talking. I kid you not.

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But, you said a mouthful, so there's a few things that I want to hit

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on. So first and foremost, shout out to Dana, gate

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city, 180. Definitely check him out. He's an awesome dude as

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well. But also what you said at the end

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there when you said, give them

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that, perspective. Give them

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that perspective. Because if they're only seeing

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the glamorous side, if they're only seeing, oh,

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I could have whatever I want, I can get all this money.

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But they're not seeing the other side. And what could

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possibly happen, or another

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approach, and this might be a little much for

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elementary, but maybe middle school and high school,

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bring in the families of the people who

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lost their loved ones

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from doing

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whatever they did. You know what I'm saying? Or doing.

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because that's another perspective as well that you don't

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really hear about unless you're close to the family.

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There's a lot of people that are losing their lives. There's a

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lot of people that are being incarcerated for these things.

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Now, of course, for me, there's

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so much like you said, that needs to change as far

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as policing and incarceration

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and things like that. But

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the kids do need to see the other side of this.

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Like, what can this get me?

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Because if you're constantly seeing the

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glamour and not seeing the

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downside, then what decision are you going

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to know as someone that's listening to this, if you were in

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that position, what would you do?

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And it has to be a point where elderly black

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people come out of the church, come

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out of corporate America, take off that suit

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and tie and sit down with me, and let's engage

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in a conversation. when you look at

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the things that affect our neighborhoods, like,

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when you look at, know, black folk had

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nothing to do with heroin coming here. It really was

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the Asians, doing the, building of the

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railroads, because opium was grew over there in

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Asia. And when you look at the Holland

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Renaissance and the blues, the French

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imported a lot of heroin

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into United States to make money. And if

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you're watching tv, these new tv shows

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and movies will give us a false history. Like, bumpy

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Johnson was responsible for the heroin

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trade in New York, or, the dude

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from Carolina, an american gangster, was

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responsible for heroin, in New York, in

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the United States. No, it was the French, during the French

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Connection, which created the opioid

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emidemic. And if you look back before that, it was Baer who was

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using it in cough, syrup and selling it behind the

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counter that created the

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opioid use in the United States. Now,

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that's just heroin. Now, when you look at cocaine and

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crack cocaine, you have to look at the Iran

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Contra on how America

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allowed, South Americans to

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smuggle and sell cocaine into United States to

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fund a war in South America. So

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it's like, yo, how are these things

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our fault when we didn't create this

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problem? Did we fall into it? Yes, we did.

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Because at the end of the day, we all want

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to be successful, especially men.

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black men want to be successful. I want

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my wife to look at me like I'm a

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king, like I'm a leader. I want my kids to look at me like

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I'm a great person, I'm a great

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provider. But when we also look at the

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job force, I'm going to say something to you that people don't

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even talk about. I've seen people

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destroy people in the workforce. I've

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seen African Americans create an environment and

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run another african american person out the workforce,

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usually three or four of them. But they don't see that as being

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a problem, because they're not selling narcotics,

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they're not shooting anybody. However, you're leaving

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somebody in a desperate desire position.

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And we don't know what this person is going to do when

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they out there and they can't find income. Because I have

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watched women who had nice jobs

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get bullied and chased out of the workplace and

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end up going into a relationship with a dude just to

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survive who is abusive.

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I've seen women lead a job, go out of the

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workforce, and start drinking and using

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and then tricking. I've seen dudes say,

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like, the next time this dude say something to me,

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I'm going to put hands on him, do it, go to

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prison, and end back out in the streets.

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So we as a community have to sit

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down and start having these taboo

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conversations and look at each other like,

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yo, this is not your creation.

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But how do we create something that

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you don't feel the need to have to go out

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here and break law and bring

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more destruction into our community. When we can get real

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about it, we can start solving the.

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You know, there's one thing that my friend will

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dungey shout out to will as well. he

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says he's know people act like

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crabs in a barrel, but you have to ask

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yourself, how did they get know crabs?

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That's not their natural habitat. It's not in a

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barrel. It's in the ocean. So how

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did the crabs get in the barrel in order to act like

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crabs in a barrel? so I wanted to mention that as

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well. But then also, when you said, sit down and talk with

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you, one of the quotes that I love

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to tell people and that I love in my personal

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life is that it's hard to hate someone once

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you get to know them. And I feel like having these

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conversations, as we're doing now, but also

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having these conversations with people that do this work in the

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community and also those in the community can

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really change. A lot of

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know, you can get a lot of perspective from having

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these conversations. So with that said, victor, if

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people were interested in learning more

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about you and learning more about what you do, how they can

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help, how they can get started, how could they find

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you?

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They, can look me up on the

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reentryexpert.org.

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they can reach me at the

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reentryexpert@gmail.com.

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Or they can look me up as Victor Michael Vincent, Jr.

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The reentry expert on Facebook.

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or a lot of times you can just

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tune into Facebook and see me out in the community

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somewhere, doing something or another.

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I like to use Facebook as a means to show

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people, hey, you don't need millions of

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dollars to bring about change. That's all you have to

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do is bring the will and the want,

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and that will bring about change a

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lot of times, and I'm real particular about

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who I let my clients work with or

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who, I send them to because

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I had to tell a dude one time because he wanted to help, like,

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well, let me be a mentor and talk to your clients. I was like, nah,

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bro. Well, what's wrong with me? I said, yo, your

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mind's too focused on getting rich. I said,

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God didn't design everybody to get rich. And I

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said, and when you talking to a dude from the streets and you

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constantly talking about Louis Vuitton

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and all this old expensive

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stuff, that will twist their mind to start

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thinking, man, I don't care that I

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love to do this. I want to get money. And

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money is not the end

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to our problems, because if you look at it,

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a lot of extremely wealthy, they

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nasty, they evil, and a lot of them joke is crazy.

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So, once again, if we could go back

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to opening ourselves up, to have

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conversations to figure out what we love to do,

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investing in our own communities, working within our

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own communities to better our communities, doing

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our own community policing, it's

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a shame that drug

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dealers live in the same

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neighborhoods with homeowners and

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people who want to be successful. somebody has to

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tell the drug dealers, like, I'm sorry, but you all can't do this

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right here no more. but if you're telling them they can't do

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it, you have to provide them with an opportunity

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to earn income somewhere else. You

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can't take something from somebody

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without giving them something. and when we

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recognize, like, oh, that's how this works. I'm taking

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the streets away from you all, but I'm giving you all this

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opportunity to earn some income.

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And if you don't choose the opportunity to earn

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income, I will call the police on you. It's

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just as simple as that. Because I don't want this in my

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neighborhood, because I want a better life for the kids

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growing up in this neighborhood. And when we can have those

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conversations and create those avenues, I

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don't see it being as big of a problem as it

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is. Right?

Tiffany Grant:

Yes, yes. We need solutions. And really

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quick, y'all. So I will have all of his links in the show notes, so

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definitely check that out. But I want to brag on Victor real

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quick, because he put on an event in the

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community where he had artwork

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from formerly incarcerated and some of his clients

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and things like that. And these brothers are

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talented. They are talented, you

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all. it was a wonderful art display,

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and I really appreciated that, and it stuck in

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my mind. I know it happened maybe, like, last year

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or the year before, but it made that much of an

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impact on me, so I wanted to brag on him real

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quick about that. And those are some of the little things

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you can do. Like, he just went to a business owner, said,

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hey, can I use your space? Set up the artwork, and

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had a whole art show. And it was fantastic to, bring

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awareness to this issue. So thank you so much,

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Victor, for the things that you do in our community. Like

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I said, if you want to connect with Victor, I'll make sure I have all his

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information in the show notes, and I appreciate you coming on the

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show.

Victor Vincent:

Welcome, tiffany. I'm going to say something

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about that. I grew up with some of the most talented dudes

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in the world, in Baltimore city,

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and a lot of those talented people died in the

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streets, serving time in prison,

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or lost an addiction to alcohol or

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heroin. And the only

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difference between a successful

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person and a non successful person is

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sometimes the

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input and the investment

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somebody made towards the person that's successful.

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So when we can go back in our communities, invest in our

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people, we will see a change

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gradually start to happen, and it will better our

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communities. But thank you for coming to the art show. I

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really enjoyed doing it. I was asked to do another

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one. So we're in the process of thinking about how to do

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it, where we can really get some of our local

Victor Vincent:

talent. And I would like to have poets and,

Victor Vincent:

rappers, just come out and

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display that talent to let people know, like,

Victor Vincent:

hey, let's invest in this. Let's

Victor Vincent:

invest in this person right here. Let's see what he can.

Tiffany Grant:

Yes, yes. I love that. And I will be there if you

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have another one, because it was.

Tiffany Grant:

I mean, we could talk about this forever,

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but please listen to what Victor said. when

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it comes to engaging with the community,

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reaching back, my philosophy

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is rise and lift. So as you're

Tiffany Grant:

rising, lift someone else or a group of people along

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the way, because that's the only way

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we'll be able to change

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our trajectories. So I appreciate you

Tiffany Grant:

once again, and I hope you have a wonderful rest of the

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day.

Victor Vincent:

You too, queen. Have a blessed one.

Tiffany Grant:

Bye.

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Victor Vincent:

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